Swans' Michael Gira: "...I'm an artist so when I'm making something I'm completely subsumed in it, and want to make something that's the best I can possibly do and that, in the case of a record, provides a kind of cinematic experience and something you can lose yourself in. That's the ambition anyway. But then after spending hundreds and hundreds of hours on the thing, I'm pretty obsessive with overdubs and orchestration and editing and mixing, to me then it's just ones and zeroes basically. And I just move on. I don't look at any song as being finished anymore at all. It has so many different versions, possibilities, that wherever it's caught is fine, but I just want to keep moving forward."